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Last SNES game to have slot style cartridge?

May 16 at 5:22:50 PM
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What was the last SNES game to have the slot style cartridge?

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May 16 at 7:25:08 PM
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The change happened around April 1993 if I'm not mistaken. Check the games released around that time on eBay. I did that before but can't remember where it stopped.

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May 16 at 7:36:32 PM
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Right, I figured around that time as well but it's hard to tell exactly when a game was released. Is there a definitive release date list somewhere? Several games released around that time have both a slot version cartridge and a ramp style.

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Edited: 05/16/2018 at 07:38 PM by austin532

May 16 at 8:08:31 PM
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I don't know why Cybernator stands out as the earliest release that wasn't slot?

Don't quote me on that though

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May 16 at 8:30:19 PM
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Originally posted by: AC Skywalker

The change happened around April 1993 if I'm not mistaken. Check the games released around that time on eBay. I did that before but can't remember where it stopped.
This is what I concluded too. Since many games were released with both styles, you have to look at the launch dates of games that are only available in the new style versus the launch dates of 1993 releases that are sometimes/only available in the old style. I recall landing around April 1993 when I compared a chronological release list. Some games released just before then were very hard to find examples of with the earlier cart design but, IIRC, that was where I drew the line.


Edited: 05/16/2018 at 08:31 PM by CZroe

May 16 at 8:59:39 PM
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The problem is finding a correct release date list. Then we can go from there.

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May 16 at 11:29:31 PM
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According to Gamefaqs, the following SNES games were released in April 1993:

American Gladiators
Batman Returns
Battle Grand Prix
Brawl Brothers
Cybernator
Fatal Fury
Lost Vikings
Outlander
Street Combat
Super Ninja Boy
Terminator
Tom and Jerry
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Looking at Ebay, it seems like the following games have the old cart style:

Batman Returns
Brawl Brothers
Outlander
Tom and Jerry

So maybe one of those four.

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May 17 at 12:00:58 AM
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I thought this was interesting since it has a receipt:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/...
...but it looks like it's not the original cart (rental stickers).


Edited: 05/17/2018 at 12:01 AM by CZroe

May 17 at 3:47:04 AM
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Originally posted by: AC Skywalker

I don't know why Cybernator stands out as the earliest release that wasn't slot?

Don't quote me on that though

Lol I came to post the same exact thing! I remember renting Cybernator in 1993 going huh, this is a cosmetic change...

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May 17 at 6:16:08 AM
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Looks like we are on the right track. OP just by all the snes games from what we think are 1993 and you'll have it!  

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May 17 at 4:44:03 PM
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Three of those games have two different release dates:

Batman Returns - January 15, 1993 and April 1993
Manufacture date - 9306

Brawl Brothers - March 11, 1993 and April 1993
Manufacture date - 9309

Tom & Jerry - 1992 and April 1993
Manufacture dates - 9306 and 9338

Outlander April 1993
Manufacture dates - 9321

I know the first two numbers represent the year but what do the 3rd and 4th represent?

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May 17 at 4:45:21 PM
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Year followed by week?

May 17 at 5:41:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Loxx O)))

Year followed by week?

yes, last 2 are week of the year. here's a date chart: 

https://www.epochconverter.com/we...

so 9306 = feb 8 to feb 14, 1993
 

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May 17 at 5:54:01 PM
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You'll probably never know. I would guess the carts are injection molded in one plant and piled onto pallets which sit in trailers and then are sent to another plant to be used in the assembly. I highly doubt there would have been a "Change Point Notification" like vehicle factories are required to do. I can guarantee there's no "Breakpoint / Stop Point" to these because they don't have anything vital safety related. And if I was a betting man, I'd also assume that Nintendo used cheap factories to create the sub components so the use of FIFO ( First In First Out) is probably not a thing that would be going on which is why you might see some carts have that slot that should't have one.

Molds go under downtime or break and need repairs which means stock gets low so you use the "old" stuff because you can. I forgot to mention it's been said there was more than one supplier for these parts which is evident when one side turns yellow from bromine but the other side doesn't. o.0

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May 17 at 6:20:22 PM
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Right, even "if" the change happened sometime in April 1993 there were probably some leftover slot carts that got used well into May or even June. So I think it's pretty much safe to say that all games released in July of 93 and onward have the ramp style.

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May 17 at 6:30:24 PM
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I imagine this is about like like 3-screw vs. 5-screw NES games. Is there a chance that there are versions that are slotted because Nintendo might have found/shipped a last set for short print runs?

I imagine quality control was a lot better in 1993 then 1985 or so but, you know, inventory is inventory. You use what you have unless it's defective.

I'm aware of the differences but do we know why they even changed the molds?

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May 17 at 6:37:15 PM
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Originally posted by: austin532

Right, even "if" the change happened sometime in April 1993 there were probably some leftover slot carts that got used well into May or even June. So I think it's pretty much safe to say that all games released in July of 93 and onward have the ramp style.
Keep in mind that this was when Nintendo still had a stranglehold on cart production and they were all “Made in Japan.” It’s very possible that they had the same injection molding plastic supplier for everything at that point, which is why you could find the improperly mixed flame retardants randomly yellowing parts in consoles, controllers, accessories, and cartridges back then.

In the NES days it was shown that Konami had 5-screw games slightly longer than Nintendo but they all had Konami-produced boards inside. It seems that they received their allotment from Nintendo. Some returns were later issued with the older shells indicating that their stock of warranty spare parts had not been depleted for some time. SNES could reflect something similar.

I have a vivid memory of seeing Uniracers with the lock slot when it first came out and I rented it from Blockbuster Video. I remember thinking it was bizarre even back then since I was acutely aware of the shift in 1993. I know I rented the game several times too but it’s still possible that I dreamt or imagined it.

May 17 at 6:40:37 PM
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Originally posted by: rlh

I imagine this is about like like 3-screw vs. 5-screw NES games. Is there a chance that there are versions that are slotted because Nintendo might have found/shipped a last set for short print runs?

I imagine quality control was a lot better in 1993 then 1985 or so but, you know, inventory is inventory. You use what you have unless it's defective.

I'm aware of the differences but do we know why they even changed the molds?
Yes. They changed it to defeat the locking mechanism in earlier SNES units. The tapered front will push the locking tab back when you remove the cartridge with the power on. This will force the power off. Nintendo implemented the lock because it was possible to blow the fuse by inserting or removing with the power on. When they dropped the lock for North American systems they added the sticker under the power button about not inserting or removing the cartridge with the power on.

I don’t think they ever got rid of the lock in Japan or the UK even though their respective Super Game Boy and their devices were redesigned similarly (the games were not).

 

May 17 at 9:32:19 PM
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When we were working on this: http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess... didn't seem that the change waited until April but rather happened in January '93 at the latest. Pre- late '90s video game release date information out there is quite bad. There's still debate about when exactly Super Mario Bros. came out!

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Super Scope 6 is a fluke I talked about a while ago. Ramp exists in -CAN.
No -USA apparently.

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Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: austin532

Right, even "if" the change happened sometime in April 1993 there were probably some leftover slot carts that got used well into May or even June. So I think it's pretty much safe to say that all games released in July of 93 and onward have the ramp style.
Keep in mind that this was when Nintendo still had a stranglehold on cart production and they were all “Made in Japan.” It’s very possible that they had the same injection molding plastic supplier for everything at that point, which is why you could find the improperly mixed flame retardants randomly yellowing parts in consoles, controllers, accessories, and cartridges back then.

In the NES days it was shown that Konami had 5-screw games slightly longer than Nintendo but they all had Konami-produced boards inside. It seems that they received their allotment from Nintendo. Some returns were later issued with the older shells indicating that their stock of warranty spare parts had not been depleted for some time. SNES could reflect something similar.

I have a vivid memory of seeing Uniracers with the lock slot when it first came out and I rented it from Blockbuster Video. I remember thinking it was bizarre even back then since I was acutely aware of the shift in 1993. I know I rented the game several times too but it’s still possible that I dreamt or imagined it.


I think the Uniracers thing is a false memory. It would have stood out to me also.

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Many pages on analogue.co use a background image that shows a pile of clean SNES carts. A whole bunch of them stand out to me for having slot style carts on late-released games that never had a slotted shell. Almost seems to trigger some kind of anxiety when I see that background image. "This is all so wrong!"

There might have been some anachronistic stuff with ESRB ratings also.

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Originally posted by: austin532

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I just remember that the first SNES game I got with the new shell design was WWF Royal Rumble. I thought the cartridge was broken when I first opened the box. It always seemed like such a weird decision by Nintendo to change this design. The newer design would let you pull games out of the SNES while the system was still turned on. The original design would lock them in place, as the power switch would push in a piece of plastic that went into that slot.