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New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana 50.00 shipped!

Jan 7, 2013 at 2:25:15 PM
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bump, price reduced

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Apr 18, 2013 at 5:37:35 PM
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I got mine in today, awesome conversion and looks like it could have come out of a konami wharehouse.

Aug 13, 2013 at 1:13:52 AM
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Got mine in alil over a week ago. (Been so busy...) Beautiful work. This is now one of my favorite pieces in my collection! Thank you!!

Mar 2, 2014 at 6:23:31 AM
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Do you still have some copies? I want the cart only.

Apr 25, 2017 at 10:18:40 AM
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got one of these ready to ship if anyone wants it.

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May 6, 2018 at 3:57:09 PM
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I've got a question about these kinds of reproductions:

I don't mind reproductions of games that never came out in the west. But why don't you clearly mark it as a preproduction? Why do you create them in a way, so that they're pretty much indistinguishable from legitimate NES releases?

Not everybody knows the list of all 700+ US NES releases by heart. So, if a casual gamer comes across this game, he might consider it to belong to the same line of games as "Castlevania", "Contra" and "Gradius". In no place does the box tell him that this is a fan-made product.

You even have the guts to include the Nintendo Seal of Quality. The very symbol that was invented specifically to distinguish licensed releases from unlicensed ones.
(And even if you insist that the seal refers to the software and not to the hardware, then it's still an outright lie: Since "Miracle of Almana" was never released in the west, it never got the Seal of Quality.)

And I just saw: You even put the Nintendo Seal of Quality on reproductions of games that were never licensed to begin with, like "The Universe Soldiers". Now that's really dishonest to the highest degree.

So, please tell me: Why is it not enough to create a reproduction that's clearly marked as a reproduction? Why do your games look like actual, official Nintendo or Konami releases?
To me, that borders on forgery. (Even if there was no actual release of this game, but the casual gamer doesn't know that. If you create a professionally-looking $300 bill, it's still counterfeit money despite a $300 bill not existing for real.)

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Edited: 05/06/2018 at 04:06 PM by DRW

May 6, 2018 at 5:59:24 PM
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With todays resources at hand, it shouldn't be too hard to do a little homework on releases such as this.

May 6, 2018 at 7:09:23 PM
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There are those of us who appreciate the artistry and work that goes into these releases. I’d say that almost all of the people buying this know exactly what it is. I’m sure coinheaven would refund anyone who was honestly mistaken about what they were purchasing. 

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May 8, 2018 at 9:25:44 AM
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Originally posted by: friedeje191

With todays resources at hand, it shouldn't be too hard to do a little homework on releases such as this.
This means that the random person needs to be aware that things like reproduction cartridges exist to begin with.

Obviously, this guy has no idea where this comes from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27265071...
 
Originally posted by: Kage Copitz

There are those of us who appreciate the artistry and work that goes into these releases.
What does this have to do with anything? The box would look just as good, even without a Seal of Quality, a fake barcode and an outright lie on the box ("Licensed by Nintendo for play on the Nintendo Entertainment System").

Why not creating the box as it is, but with a clear disclaimer: "Reproduction cartridge by NintendoAge/coinheaven"?

For authenticity's sake? That's nonsense. The list of an NES collector might consist of several different kinds of games anyway: Licensed games, Famicom games, unlicensed games, homebrews. The latter three categories don't have a Seal of Quality and faux copyrights. Why does the category "reproduction of Japan-only game" suddenly has to be the kind where we play make-believe?

 
Originally posted by: Kage Copitz

I’d say that almost all of the people buying this know exactly what it is.

The people who buy this from here might be experts. But when this game gets sold on eBay, there are enough morons who think this is some kind of rare release.
And why? Just because the creators weren't honest with the production and had to create a counterfeit game.

The fact that this specific game never came out in the US doesn't matter. You don't draw an original painting and write "by Leonardo DaVinci" on it because "people can do their homework and know that it's not actually a painting by Leonardo".
If I create a fake $300 bill and don't put a big, fat "play money" on it, it's counterfeit money. It doesn't matter that a $300 bill doesn't exist in the first place.

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Edited: 05/08/2018 at 09:27 AM by DRW

May 8, 2018 at 6:22:16 PM
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Originally posted by: DRW
The people who buy this from here might be experts. But when this game gets sold on eBay, there are enough morons who think this is some kind of rare release.
 

Seems as though you are very concerned about other game buyers. That is noble, but what do you think you are accomplishing by accosting posters on this forum about repros. Please understand that your concerns are not shared by everyone. I don't think you're going to change any opinions by ranting about hypothetical events.

edit: side note - Miracle of Almana is a great game.
 


Edited: 05/08/2018 at 06:23 PM by mando

May 8, 2018 at 9:10:07 PM
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In other words: "Don't criticize what we do. Since other people have other opinions, you're not allowed to express yours."

O.k., some final words then:

I don't mind reproductions of games that aren't really playable otherwise.

However, each product should be marked by what it really is:
Licensed games get the Seal of Quality", homebrews don't get it. Unlicensed games don't have the Seal of Quality either.

If you want to play "make believe", then create this as some kind of poster that you put on your wall. Or create one box and use it in an amateur movie where the story includes that this game came out in the US. But if you create it as an actual real game cartridge in a box with a manual, especially if you give it away to other people, stay with the truth.

So, reproductions should be marked as reproductions.
It doesn't matter that the game never came out in the US: If you create a reproduction and put a real-looking Seal of Quality on it, put fake copyrights on it, a fake barcode, a fake licence disclaimer and (and that's the most important detail) you completely omit any mention of the actual source of this creation and the statement that this is a fan-made reproduction, then you created a counterfeit product.

And in this case the creator is a fucking asshole.
And if the forum team sanctions these "undistinguishable-from-licensed-games" counterfeit fakes, then they can suck my ass.

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May 8, 2018 at 9:15:36 PM
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In other words: thread crapping. If you want to start a discussion about these things, do so somewhere else and not in someone's sales thread. We all enjoy your constant anger and random hate toward things, but do it tactfully.

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May 8, 2018 at 11:24:33 PM
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I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.

Also, it is his stupid reproduction that gets sold on eBay without any statement about it being a reproduction and without any source of where it actually comes from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27265071...

But yeah, I will probably not change anybody's mind here.

I mean, this is a forum where people seriously create "limited editions" with individual numbers of games that are not theirs. And other people seriously buy this shit.
"Wow, I have item number 5 of Randy Random's fan-made reproduction of the Japanese version of "Contra". That's so special because "Contra" is totally tied specifically to Randy Random and another reproduction of the game wouldn't be just as legitimate as his."

It doesn't get any more ridiculous than that.

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German Retro Gamer article: http://i67.tinypic.com/345o108.jp...

May 8, 2018 at 11:40:26 PM
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Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.
You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

 

May 9, 2018 at 9:41:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa

Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.
You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

 

But that wouldn't have illicited nearly the same response/drama. What fun would that be? *rolleyes*

May 9, 2018 at 10:30:27 AM
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Originally posted by: neodolphino

Originally posted by: Tulpa

Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.
You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

 

But that wouldn't have illicited nearly the same response/drama. What fun would that be? *rolleyes*

You also want to make sure to necrobump one that is posted by a largely inactive member these days. The best and most relevant conversations are ones where you only pretend that you want someone's real thoughts, and just carry on with a one-sided monologue/rant instead.


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May 9, 2018 at 10:47:31 AM
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Ok,

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I'm pretty sure he got the message at this point, so further sarcasm just adds fuel to the fire eh?

Some of his particular comments were inappropriate and that has been pointed out very clearly.

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